CSSVista - should we add HTML editing? 9 November
We'd like your input. How important is HTML editing to you? Should we add that functionality to CSSVista, or should we continue to focus simply on the CSS side of things?
The problem is, building a full HTML editor is getting into Deamweaver territory. Your HTML may have server-side code in, so in theory you'd want code-completion, syntax highlighting, a fully-blown FTP/file management client, and so on. That's probably taking on a bit more than we can handle (we're never going to be able to build something as fully-featured as Dreamweaver).
However, what we could do is add basic HTML editing functionality, so that you could make "on the fly" changes to your code and upload those changes via FTP. You wouldn't be able to upload other files (such as images), nor would it really be much use for doing a lot of server-side coding. And you'd still need your IDE of choice to create and upload all your files in the first place.
Personally, I think leaving HTML editing out altogether might be the better option. What do you think?
Comments
I think that you shod continue to to focus simply on the CSS side of things. It's better to be 1st in your field, than be 6th in all fields :P
I think that in 99% thera are no simply HTML code, so client side HTML editing (if you will made it) should be only on-the-fly (for testing propuse).
P.S. Sorry about bad language... :P
Posted by are on November 9, 2005 10:42 PM
@Are: That's how I was seeing it, yes. Thanks for your input!
Posted by Paul on November 9, 2005 10:46 PM
Leave out the HTML and add in WebKit. Much more useful. Unfortunately I have to use this through VPC or on my work machines :(
Great app though.
Posted by Michael on November 9, 2005 10:57 PM
@Michael: WebKit would indeed be cool. Doesn't look like there will be a Windows port anytime soon though. However, we do have a Mac version of CSSVista in development (rendering live in Safari and Firefox).
Posted by Paul on November 9, 2005 11:10 PM
I would concentrate on CSS for the time being and ensure any bug squashing gets done as and when any are found. In the mean time getting a Mac version up and running would be great. I don't use one but I don't like to see them left out in the cold. ;)
Posted by Stuart on November 10, 2005 1:57 AM
Would it be possible to add copy/paste to the program? If it's there already, it's hiding from me!
Posted by Lon Phillips on November 10, 2005 3:21 AM
IMHO....
Leave HTML editing out.
Better add these:
* Synchronous scrolling in Split Pane View (one horizontal/vertical scoll bar scrolls both panes).
* Line wrap and font options in CSS view.
* Proxy settings so "Fetch CSS" won't time out on NTLM authenticating proxies like MS ISA but allow you to provide credentials.
Less important:
* Some syntax highlighting in CSS
* Save CSS to filesystem
Posted by Robert Wetzlmayr on November 10, 2005 6:30 AM
Great wee product, by the way -- thanks very much! I like the look of SiteVista too and think the pricing is bang on.
As for CSSVista, I'd like you to stick with CSS but perhaps add syntax highlighting and intellisense.
Posted by Cam McVey on November 10, 2005 10:02 AM
Another vote for no HTML editing here - I agree with Are; be the best at what you do, not okay at things other people do better.
Posted by Matthew Pennell on November 10, 2005 10:44 AM
. I'm against HTML edditing too. Just a syntax highlighting, and correcting the bugs (like the @import one) would be just great.
. Maybe you can add, optionally, "line numbers" at left, and an option for word wrapping, or a hotkey to hide/show the view or the edit pane. Would be very useful.
. . Amplexos.
Posted by diego nunes on November 10, 2005 11:24 AM
Please add HTML-Editing. I've searched such a long time for this kind of software.
So add it :)
Posted by Stefan on November 10, 2005 11:57 AM
I think a simple HTML editor would be great - why would it have to have a lot of wysiwyg, FTP functionality? All I use my HTML editor for is the syntax highlighting - FTP etc. is done with outside programs. I think it'd be an excellent little add-on.
Posted by Reuben Whitehouse on November 10, 2005 1:59 PM
Just make Taco HTML Edit for the PC...http://tacosw.com. No fancy stuff, just live HTML preview for handcoding.
Posted by Bob Ryskamp on November 10, 2005 5:52 PM
Leave it out and focus on being the bomb CSS editor. At least at first.......:o)
Posted by Campbell Anderson on November 10, 2005 11:32 PM
In my opinion, a notepad-like HTML editor would be great. But... You better first focus on what it actually is: CSSVista, no HTMLVista. So try to get some feedback, do a lot of testing yourself, fix the bugs and add the most wanted, neat little features (search in CSS, simultaneous scrolling, FTP option to save changes at the server, et cetera). Once you get to a marvelous and stable version 1.0, the time is right to start thinking about HTML editing. Otherwise you might be digging your own grave ;)
Posted by Marc on November 11, 2005 10:52 AM
I agree that this software shouldn't be competing with dreamweaver, but just a simple HTML editor that changes on-demand is always great.
This is just a far fetch idea:
For me, I would prefer this technology/software can be integrated within Dreamweaver or some sort.
If it turned out great, you might be able to have a talk with macromedia (adobe) to officially support your software, and maybe in a later time you have a larger team that could make this a even better software than it already is.
Thank you for the software, I will definately use it daily.
Great Job, Love It!
Posted by Andre on November 11, 2005 6:56 PM
Another vote FOR HTML. Coming from an amateur who uses EditPad for creating my websites, I would definitely use CSSVista exclusively if it had HTML-editing, syntax highlighting, and FTP transfer (the latter not really necessary). I would agree with everyone else, though, that fixing the bugs of the original product would be the first priority. Maybe even creating a CSSVista Plus or something as the enhanced version with the extra features while keeping the simple CSSVista "Lite" as the product is currently.
Posted by J. J. on November 23, 2005 5:21 PM
I admit, I haven't used this proggie yet, but an editor done directly from the CSS point of view with no filler would be a killer. Dreamweaver sort of bolts CSS on...in a "I can't be all to everyone if I go in a real CSS direction from the ground up, but I can't ignore it" sort of way.
I don't see this as a compete, since DW serves a less direct audience. Possibly one they may not effectively reach for a few years.
Such an editor would need some elements from html, but not all really, just a subset, we all know that html or possibly xml is the glue if CSS is the structure and look. Plus the html editor code is already baked into .net ready to be called. =)
Please save us from DreamWeaver. It does a little of everything, but nothing well, just enough that I am forced to use it.
Posted by Colin Catlin on December 2, 2005 6:42 AM
There are plenty of HTML editors out there. What is missing is a site design tool that is centered around XML and CSS. Such a tool would not need to be as complex as Dreamweaver, GoLive, or FrontPage to be popular and useful but it would have to be more (and better) than Nvu.
The problem with the big commercial programs like FrontPage is that they have their own paradigm for developing sites that hides the underlying technology and makes pages heavier than they need to be. The way styles are handled by FrontPage is a good example.
A site design tool built from the perspective of CSS and XML experts could be a very good thing. Tight integration with PHP and MySQL would play well to most hosting company's offerings, which almost always include those tools.
Such a tool would be just the ticket for the millions of Web sites that are not Amazon, eBay, Microsoft, IBM, or the like.
If all you are considering is another HTML editor, I don't think it will be worth the investment.
By the way, FrontPage's HTML editor is hardly the best, but it has some compelling features that bring me back to it over and over. Perhaps the best feature is search & replace, which is the most powerful I've seen in any editor.
Posted by Will Fastie on December 2, 2005 3:30 PM